Jan 13, 2026
In this episode of Transform Your Workplace, Brandon Laws is joined by Nae Hakala, HR Business Partner at Xenium HR, for a thoughtful and practical conversation about leadership, empathy, and building workplaces that truly support people.
Nae shares her career journey, from managing creative teams early in her career to supporting organizations through complex and often difficult people challenges today. Together, Brandon and Nae explore what it really means to lead with humanity, why belonging and trust are essential business strategies, and how leaders can balance results with empathy in a rapidly changing workplace.
Listeners will hear real-world insights on recruiting with care, navigating hard conversations like reductions in force, the risks of over-automating HR with AI, and why everyday leadership behaviors matter more than big, performative initiatives. This episode is especially relevant for leaders, HR professionals, and nonprofit organizations navigating growth, change, and limited resources.
Key Timestamps
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00:00 – What Transform Your Workplace is all about and why this conversation matters
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02:00 – Nae’s early leadership experience managing creative teams and what it taught her
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04:00 – Why getting involved builds community at work and beyond
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05:30 – How retail and hospitality shaped Nae’s empathetic approach to HR
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07:00 – Seeing the human behind every HR request, especially in difficult moments
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08:30 – Handling reductions in force with dignity, respect, and compassion
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10:00 – Recruiting at scale without losing the human touch
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11:30 – Where AI helps HR and where it risks doing harm
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13:00 – Lessons from equity-focused work in public education
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16:00 – Why discomfort is part of growth for leaders and organizations
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18:00 – Turning belonging into a practical, everyday business strategy
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20:00 – Moving from talent acquisition into a broader HR business partner role
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22:00 – Studying leadership frameworks and applying them in real time
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23:30 – What today’s workforce is asking for that wasn’t as visible before
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25:00 – Consulting across different organizations, cultures, and constraints
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27:00 – Supporting nonprofits with limited resources and long-term thinking
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29:00 – Building strong HR foundations that reduce firefighting
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31:00 – Why supporting employees drives results and reduces turnover
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33:00 – Final thoughts on leadership, trust, and showing up for people
A QUICK GLIMPSE INTO OUR PODCAST
Podcast: Transform Your
Workplace, sponsored by Xenium HR
Host: Brandon
Laws
In Brandon’s own
words:
“The Transform Your Workplace
podcast is your go-to source for the latest workplace trends, big
ideas, and time-tested methods straight from the mouths of industry
experts and respected thought leaders.”
About Xenium HR
Xenium HR is on a mission to
transform workplaces by providing expert outsourced HR and payroll
services for small and medium-sized businesses. With a people-first
approach, Xenium helps organizations create thriving work
environments where employees feel valued and supported. From
navigating compliance to enhancing workplace culture, Xenium offers
tailored solutions that empower growth and simplify HR. Whether
managing employee relations, payroll processing, or implementing
impactful training programs, Xenium is the trusted partner
businesses rely on to elevate their workplace
experience.
Discover how Xenium can transform
your workplace:
Learn more: https://www.xeniumhr.com/
Connect with Brandon Laws
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About Brandon: https://xeniumhr.com/about-xenium/meet-the-team/brandon-laws
Connect with Xenium HR
Website: https://xeniumhr.com/
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